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U.S. Open: Tsonga d. Fish
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09/05/2011 - 8:22 PM
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Posted by esteban C. |
09/05/2011 at 08:33 PM |
first |
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Posted by vir |
09/05/2011 at 08:33 PM |
Sad to see Mardy's superb season ending like this. |
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Posted by Pumba |
09/05/2011 at 08:34 PM |
Brovo Tsonga!
looking forward to next match agaisnt Federer(if he wins Monac)! |
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Posted by wrong again |
09/05/2011 at 08:37 PM |
you will be |
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Posted by CWATC |
09/05/2011 at 08:39 PM |
Well, I think Fish has plenty to look forward to this year.
Let's face it, with his draw this US open was unlikely to be a major breakthru anyway; to win he'd likely have to beat Tsonga, Fed, Djoker and Nadal back to back to back. Too bad he fell at the first hurdle, but he put up a tough fight against a more experienced and credentialed opponant, rankings notwithstanding.
Still, with his serve and net skills he can do well this indoor season and if he can keep in the top 8 he can qualify for his first YEC and get a chance to show off his skills v. the rest of the top players.
Overall I was impressed with his concentration and quality of play for most of the match today; still feel he's moving in the right direction.
Yes time is not on his side which is his own fault. But I still feel he's a far better player than I saw at last year's USO in his very lame straight sets defeat to Djokovic. |
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Posted by alan |
09/05/2011 at 08:42 PM |
Tsonga is great in grand slam, Mardy is solid but not having too many varieties/tactics to come out big match in Grand slam. Djokovic/Nadal/Federer sometime look fragile but able to hang in and make opponent fault out and convert the bad situation, that's the difference between great player and good player, all the american players should learn from the top 3. |
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Posted by GrnMchn |
09/05/2011 at 09:01 PM |
This was really too bad. Mardy is in the best shape of his career, and at 29 years of age, I'm afraid this will be his last successful run at the U.S. Open- he accomplished so much to get here. But I feel there is hope for America; there are three American men in the fourth quarter, and I think we may be able to get one of them into the semifinals, or hopefully, the finals. Fish had so much momentum... |
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Posted by Matt - Allez, Roger! Come on, Serena! |
09/05/2011 at 09:26 PM |
Ughh Fed needed Mardy to win this. Assuming he survives tonight, hopefully Roger will be at the top of his game on Wednesday against Tsonga. He's gonna need it. |
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Posted by hane |
09/05/2011 at 09:46 PM |
ok but the
black songa can play only if he screams like the pitbull nadal-this is total unfair and it was his only hope against roger-remember thas the guy was zero with roger with the mouth shut.
if he plays normal he looses like before wimbledon
when roger beat him completly-so again this guy is an animal like nadal who can win only if he screams. remember how he lost from 2-0 to wawrinka in roland garross when he was quit- shame this is not a great player he is a temporarly fat meteorit.
also remember how he played like shit with djokovici in semi in wimbledon
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Posted by George I |
09/05/2011 at 09:57 PM |
nah nah nah hane. You better start behave in this room. Your words could offend some people around here. Take it easy, it's just a tennis match. No need to be so harsh. |
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Posted by mike |
09/05/2011 at 09:58 PM |
ysonga is a reborn meteorit fat -95kg and he is not a great player in grand slams as long he was nowhere in the last years-you can say only for a guy that plays regular in grand slams. tsonga is a sporadic fat arogant reborn guy who hopes ,but his look is far from a sportman and his resistence is very low. |
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Posted by Bored Poet {{{ Beyond Google }}} |
09/05/2011 at 10:00 PM |
Let me be the first to say I think hane speaks for us all. |
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Posted by David |
09/05/2011 at 10:03 PM |
LOL at mike. A pathetic hater who can't spell for shit. |
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Posted by David |
09/05/2011 at 10:04 PM |
hane is too. |
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Posted by raul |
09/05/2011 at 10:09 PM |
congrats for fish even he lost he proves eevry time that he is fair onest and plays like a real man with the mouth shut ,not like some jerks that have not power and try to scream to get it and to intimidate the oponent
in this class is nadal,sharapova,djoko,ferrer,and now tis - tsonga
sorry but this is not tennis it is crazzy war and patrick =mc enroe said something against this kind of beast play but unfortunately nobody is doing somthing to stop it.
AGAIN CONGRATS, FOR FISH FOR FAIR AND NORMAL WAY OF PLAYING- HE IS VERY GOOD AND TECHNIC
remember how good he plays against djoko in montreal and how bad played this spoiled tsonga against djoko. |
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Posted by Matt - Allez, Roger! Come on, Serena! |
09/05/2011 at 10:10 PM |
I really like Tsonga...
...except when he's playing Fed. |
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Posted by Tom Thumb |
09/05/2011 at 10:13 PM |
Jo-Wily Tsonga - the French Meteorite. I love it.
What happened on the changeover where Mardy McFish confronted the reborn fat French Meteorite? |
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Posted by TennisRone 1000 |
09/05/2011 at 10:15 PM |
Tough matchup in the 4R. The draw can be cruel at times. JoWili is prob a legit Top 5 player...if he actually stays healthy and focused for a whole season. What can you say? Mardy played a very solid match and it's difficult to absorb the blows from tsonga for 5 sets.
Hopefully Tsonga last thru the rest of the tourney. No weak retirements when the chips are at the middle of the table.... |
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Posted by Ian |
09/05/2011 at 10:18 PM |
Babelfish converts hane to Gertrude Stein - by the way if it was haine - it would be French for hate!
ok but the black songa can play only he shouts as the pitbull nadal this is unjust total and he was with him only hope against Roger-remember that thas that the type was zero with Roger with the mouth closed. s' he plays the normal he loosens as before Wimbledon when Roger l' completely-so still this type beat is an animal as nadal which can gain only he shouts. you point out how it lost of 2-0 with the wawrinka in garross of Roland when it was stopped shame that this n' he is not a large player is a meteorit large temporarly. you also recall how he played like the shit with the djokovici inside semi in Wimbledon |
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Posted by Mr. Ball |
09/05/2011 at 10:29 PM |
The score tells like it is, the best player won. Fish is a so-so player who was inflated by the "commentarists." He may be a good club player but he can't make it against good players. Sorry some people took it so hard but it's like it is, that's the reason Fish has never won and never will win a grand slam. |
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Posted by raul |
09/05/2011 at 10:30 PM |
sorry boy but this is true -tsonga is playing is from 5 to 5 years and his target is to beat fedex -he looks like a sumo fighter
-it is not important who wins ,important is how you win and behave like a human and in this class fish is very good -as well as roger ,ferero ,liubicici etc
sorry this is true and has nothing to do with hate it has to do with sport and technic ok? now another obsesed is screaming to win anyway
guys- try to realize that nadal is exausted because of his teroristic styl of playing-you saw him falling under the table /
ANOTHERkamikadze wants to win runing for every ball -ohh my good this is fantesy -again ,I Like tennis and not crazzy war I like to see real technical tennis not bassball or gladiator wars..this ideea was what hane and mike want to explain thanks for unerstanding |
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Posted by Martin |
09/05/2011 at 10:36 PM |
If Fish can't win because his oponent shouts then he should quit tennis and play chess. How come Djokovic/Nadal/Federer can play and win with shouting players? There is not excuse, Tsonga is 100% better player than Fish. By the way, Fish is good but Tsonga is better, much better. |
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Posted by netprophet |
09/05/2011 at 10:43 PM |
Great effort by Tsonga. It is pathetic that the Fed-Monaco match will not start until after 11PM. They should have started their match on Armstrong; these great players deserve better than having to put up with this. Only in New York. |
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Posted by Fred |
09/05/2011 at 10:47 PM |
This is tennis, if raul wants to watch "how you win and behave like a human" you should watch Miss America. The comment about a sumo fighter is out of line. Is Ms. Willims bad tennis player because it's not slender? give me a break. In sports the point is to win, if you want to watch technique go and watch ballet. |
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Posted by TS |
09/05/2011 at 10:52 PM |
Fish is a joke, just face it. His performance is hardly any superb. He had a very easy draw, and the first tough one he failed. Forget it, he is not the same material compared to Djokovic, Fed, Nadal. |
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Posted by goliat |
09/05/2011 at 10:53 PM |
my friend david -somebody is speaking here about real true in tennis -not about spelling -anyway you must learn english -because you are wrong, and understand what happens if you look to a tennis game- ,I LIKE and apreciate real tennis players -not sporadic sumoplayers .wait how long will tsonga play good, his resistance is low .
-anyway, since when do you watch tennis? only in the last years since nadal dominance -this sport is gladiator game and we have to do something to regain the technic of this sport.because players are exhausted and if you real care about them, you have at least dislike this ping-pong bang -bang ,waiting the error of the opponent
tennis is what roger is playing -you have to hit
the winner not to wait the error.look at the history of tennis |
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Posted by Me |
09/05/2011 at 11:29 PM |
If everyone is so critical that Fish is a joke, not good and only a club player..
Lets see you out their on center court EVER?????
IF you think you can be better by all means try to qualify for an event...PLEASE |
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Posted by neilintoronto |
09/06/2011 at 12:06 AM |
LOL gotta love when one person posts under 4 or 5 different "personalities". We can all tell that you're the same person by your poor grammar dude. |
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Posted by Rohith |
09/06/2011 at 12:06 AM |
Fish was in real good form n this was a highly anticipated match n to be frank it went all the way 5 long sets n Fish fought till the last just that Tsonga was better on the day! All credits to him!
No use crying n complaining about Tsonga's physique n style of play n grunts. .in that way Sharapova grunts the most n Serena's looks are not exactly of a tennis player (leave just womens)..so just accept defeat n appreciate Tsonga! |
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Posted by ali |
09/06/2011 at 01:56 AM |
its useless fredy you dont understand what tennis means -what some guys are now playing is killing baseball- nadal is almost done -djoko want to to die on the field..what roger is playing is tennis -what sampras played played is teh cnic tennis ...now what nadal ,djoko ,ferrer or tipsa plays is gladiator -waiting mistakes -get it? I CAN NOT BELIEVE what so hard for you to get it..of course that players have to have a normal weight..not like serena,tsonga or kuznetova...because this is first against their health-do you know this- serena is full of drugs as well as nadal
conclusion- you fredy have to look at horror films..again tennis has some technic rules...only some players as fish,roger,sampras,nastase etc know to play original tennis...I am not speaking of winning -a normal spectator want to see technic not crazzy war -remember
in sport -important is how you win-if the player has talent anf brain |
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Posted by Zeljana |
09/06/2011 at 02:34 AM |
Although I just love the way Jo plays and always cheer for him if he is not playing my Balcan boys I must say I feel for Fish. Could be true what Ed said there - this was probably the last shot at going deep here. |
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Posted by sampras |
09/06/2011 at 02:36 AM |
poor dude -neili-toronto-tell me please what did you understand about tennis I am sure -nothing so if you think paranoic disapair ...some guys said hate ..no its opinion -I apreciate original tennis player- that plays smart and technic tennis not killers .
-we all know that you are paranoic -if not prove it
regarding to real hater against fish -shame on them- if you dont get in english we can translate for you |
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Posted by Marc |
09/06/2011 at 02:40 AM |
What the hell is up with this guys bias against Mardy Fish?!?
"In theory and practice, the best-of-five-set format at the majors truly determines who the best players are. Fish earned his No. 8 seed with his strong results throughout North America, but he was caught when it counted most for a second time."
Are you f***ing me? How about his QUARTER-FINAL finish at Wimbledon, the most revered major in tennis, only to lose in a tough 4 setter to Nadal. And a round of 16 loss to Tsonga is nothing to be ashamed of, Tsonga was THE BEST seed outside of the top 4 in the men's draw.
Next time you think about analyzing someone's hard work, dedication and talent why don't you try leaving your ego at the door like a REAL analyst should. |
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Posted by alan |
09/06/2011 at 02:58 AM |
fish should learn from djoko how to deal with tsonga in slam, using some defensive skill to increase rally, wear down tsonga and increasing tsonga's unforced error then tsonga will beat himself, but too late, fish is too old to change and he doesnt have that many tools like top 3 to control the game.
i remember last year or 2009 lopez using slice control tsonga and beat him easily, today bogo almost did the same to djoko, changing tactic/mixing stuff is really effective to certain "simple" player. remember long time ago in AO philipousis beat sampras beautifully with lots back hand rally and then right away was taken down by woodbridge using slice. |
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Posted by max |
09/06/2011 at 03:14 AM |
for IAN -dear dude -if its to hard for you to get -what hane said I WILL explain for you -fatty-tsonga-bonga .IF HE WANTS TO PROVE THAT HE IS A GOOD TENNIS PLAYER -HE WILL PLAY WITH THE MOUTH SHUT -GET IT? |
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Posted by SAM |
09/06/2011 at 03:25 AM |
YES ,I agree with max -plus its important for me that tsonga should be silence in playing with roger-lets see if he can win again?
in wimbledon as he was silence it was 2-0 for roger |
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Posted by Richard |
09/06/2011 at 04:11 AM |
Racists - Stay away from here! Also, the rules of tennis make room for a wide variety of styles and strategies, and they do NOT forbid vocal sounds. So what if you prefer to watch a different style than you saw in this match? Nobody forces you to be a slave to your TV. Ectomorph, mesomorph, and endmorph body types (please Google before you complain!) are genetic - you are what your genes dictate - and anyway, who cares what you think about Mr. Tsonga's body type.
Tsonga won because overall he played better than his fine opponent. This is why one player wins and the other doesn't --- simple. |
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Posted by andy |
09/06/2011 at 04:40 AM |
no -its not about racist its about -normal behaviour-and not about tsonga -about disabled players that can not play only when they scream-no great player -won titles with this unfair style- but you did not get the ideea
1 it ism unhealthy for the player to be to fat-he can colapse
second tsonga won untill now -nothing but is arogant -if he proves at least 1 year that he can play like this ok -he is great- otherwise -he is low -get it, we like his styl but silence like a real man ok? and like real great players |
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Posted by willy |
09/06/2011 at 04:51 AM |
dude, we like james blake and others as well tsonga -and it not about forbiden or not -its about self and oponent respect- if you are big and strong play as before -silent
-as great players= otherwise means he is not able to play normal
normal means what hundreds of players did before nadal come in.
anyway - you have problems-richy-everybody can have his own opinions
I suggest you to listen and others opinions -ex -patrick-mc enroe-do you know him ? |
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Posted by pamela |
09/06/2011 at 05:26 AM |
It was somebody here who was very angry -I want to explain him that sport means fairplay and technic. everybody can win but tennis has some technical rules. IT IS not NHL hockey its not killing, its sport its ART -if you are blood thirsty go and look at horror films get it- and relax.
dont confuse tennis with base-ball .and learn from roger-sampras-nastase style
-anyway we look and want to see -winning with technic not with terror
I like the guy who is playing original tennis not terror ping-pong ,and enyway everybody has the right to opinion.
playing -as waiting the error, is poor tennis-
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Posted by puretennisfan |
09/06/2011 at 05:27 AM |
to goliat and Ali,
I couldn't agree more about the way tennis has changed. Waiting for the error is part of the game but should not be the whole game as it seems now. The point made about fans caring about their favourite player is also true. baseline ball smacking and endless running will destroy a player. See what's happened to Leyton Hewitt! I respect the physical aspect of tennis but it has gone too far. Bring back smaller head sized rackets, bring back harder balls and let's see who is the best, only good technique will win there. Oh and as federer said stop making the GS courts so similar. Anyone who can google, look up how the balls speed and bounce has chnaged at Wimbledon over the last 5 years not to mention the now perfect bounce so we can have thumping baseline thugs.
Winning The Grand Slam today is does not have the same prestige as before, the courts are too similar there is no need to adapt and change your game to suit.
sorry for the rant but the tennis scene is PR gone flippin mad |
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Posted by Richard |
09/06/2011 at 05:56 AM |
I stand by my three points: (1) The color of a player's skin is irrelevant; (2) the player's body type is irrelevant; (3) vocal sounds are permitted in professional tennis. OF COURSE, we all have preferences in terms of players' styles, techniques, and strategies! Nevertheless, whoever wins is the Winner. |
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Posted by puretennisfan |
09/06/2011 at 06:12 AM |
In the purest terms a win is a win, true.
However we are not talking about win at all cost survival, life or death but an activity and hopefully ambition that elevates humans above the basic needs and to execute a game to their best level.
Everyone wins ugly now an again, it's inevitable but to be the norm lessens the beauty of the game not to mention it's appeal either for a spectator or the one getting sucka punched each time.
For all the bravado talk concerning how great the thunderbolt players, the hurricanes of the courts, the walls' ability to get everything back. All the phenominal matches where you have the shot maker against these guys only become epics because of the shot makers themselves, the maestros, the artists or whatever one calls them.
Without them there is no visible emphasis or glory for the opponent's ability to hit it all back...only for them to then give up when the chips are down or have "n" number of injury problems throughout their career.
Sport is sport, a win is a win, but take the soul out of sport, lose it's beauty then what's the point? You do it purely for money? A medal, a trophy? Conquering your opponent?
There's a name for this : Mercenary.
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Posted by Newbie |
09/06/2011 at 06:43 AM |
The Tsonga-Fish match wasn't pretty to watch. Neither of them played exceptionally well.
I was hoping for Tsonga to win, and he did -- but he did not play with the "fun" spirit I've seen him play with in other matches. There was a bit of fun in his play, but there was definitely a brash streak. Less smiles and self-mockery, more angst and 'bad juju' - that was Tsonga's performance.
Tsonga does not play like a champion -- but he played well enough to win today. |
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Posted by Richard |
09/06/2011 at 06:46 AM |
Thanks, puretennisfan - Well-articulated and persuasive, honestly. Nevertheless, I'm NOT seeing/sensing several of the points brought up by you and other posters (which are interpretations, not facts):
1) win at all cost survival, life or death (no player exemplifies this, from my perspective)
2) wins ugly (who? how? "ugly" is in the eye of the beholder and i ndon't see it)
3) lessens the beauty of the game (no player could ever do this, in my opinion)
4) take the soul out of sport (every player contributes uniquely to that
soul)
There are no limited parameters for "soul" or "beauty" in tennis. Imagine how boring the sport would be if all players conformed to one's personal preferences regarding style, technique, strategy, and sportsmanship.
Tolerance is crucial. |
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Posted by Roddick fan from Virginia |
09/06/2011 at 07:16 AM |
I enjoyed the Fish-Tsonga match. I wanted Mardy to win, but Jo-Willy has been historically better. Tsonga and Simon will pass Fish in rankings if they make semis. Mardy, may make a run at a semi in a Major next year, if he can stay healthy. Proud of him even if this was his last, best chance. |
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Posted by Samantha Elin |
09/06/2011 at 07:39 AM |
"black songa". Like WTF! Where are some of you guys coming from. Stick to the tennis. |
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Posted by PS85 |
09/06/2011 at 07:40 AM |
"Proud of him even if this was his last, best chance"
This wasn't really a chance- his draw after Tsonga would have been Fed, Djoker, Nadal!
It's all in the head with Mardy, even after his recent success he doesn't believe in himself. |
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Posted by puretennisfan |
09/06/2011 at 08:38 AM |
By all means the games needs variety, I don't deny that. Volley against baseline, finesse against power, rally against one two knock out. It makes the game worth watching.
My point of concern is that we are losing a degree of variety in the game of tennis in favour of power and running every ball down.
Win at all costs I would describe as hunting down every ball. A player will run after a shot, that's what you do but it has become astonishing what some will go for. For me Hewitt is the first one I can think of that did this in the most noticeable way, then obviously Nadal and now Djokovic. Although it's astonishing that they get to the ball and do something with it, the incessant physicl effort and strain takes a huge toll and is breaking down the body. Hewitt is marred by injury, Nadal has done exceptionly well to maintain his form but at what cost and Djokovic is using more bandaging as of late. (Monfils has strapped knees too). In essence this game style is damaging to the player.
Could someone give me an idea when (before Australian open 2011) sliding on clay transferred to sliding on hard courts like Djokovic does? I shudder to think of the stresses going through the knee. Again it's a valid style to use and has success but at what cost?
To win ugly is primarily to lower the opponent's level by providing them with awkward "dolly" shots to play with and as a result being able to run down everything hit back you. You're a wall and the result is based on your opponent having to hit winner after winner and playing too close to the lines.
It's unpleasant to watch. I've been guilty of it and as a result missed out on improving my game for over a year. I beat guys that were better at tennis than me all I did was run down the ball. now my knees are shot.
Personally I feel that it is a result of racket technology and the way in which tennis courts and balls play nowadays. It allows a player to use this style of play and not have to improve shot selection and placement.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, yet I fail to see how the constant blugeoning of a ball with incredible topspin spin can be seen as something one could find elegant. I can apreciate the ability but not any form of style or grace in this form of baseline game.
I feel that the soul of tennis is that once upon a time you could face off to a power player and win through technique and pure tennis strokes. The racket, the balls, irregular bounces off the court and a noticeably varying speed depending on the court you were on did not allow the a player to week in week out take constant swipes at the ball as if they were trying to fell a tree. You had to adapt, a lot.
I think the point I am trying to make is that tennis players are becoming atheletes, 1 dimensional with fitness being the core and seemingly only issue. Bottom line, if i'm fitter and stronger than you, you will lose the tennis match even if your technique is slightly better.
If I want to see someone run the fastest or the longest I'll go to the olympics or an atheletic championships.
Tennis was more than that, natural skill, variety and technique would usually win the match and it's a shame that we seem to be losing that style and panache. |
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Posted by puretennisfan |
09/06/2011 at 08:39 AM |
bugga that was a long post.
sorry |
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Posted by mw |
09/06/2011 at 08:55 AM |
LOL!!!! Hey Raul, how many alt - id's are you going to use just to get your point across? Arguing or agreeing with yourself is just pathetic.
Lol! |
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Posted by puretennisfan |
09/06/2011 at 09:05 AM |
mw
oh dear.
you really think that someone would do such a thing?
Although you do have a point, I let the post become a discussion with richard.
my bad |
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Posted by Marcus |
09/06/2011 at 09:08 AM |
but... a good read. Thanks
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Posted by Ace M |
09/06/2011 at 09:22 AM |
It's really weird to call Tsonga the fat french meteorite. But at least it confirms you don't think the guy is on steroids. Honestly when he's shirt is up he's really not fat at all. Mardy melted down and if Tsonga was American the US Tennis press would make him out to be the "Federer Killer" and the second coming of Christ. This racist stuff is really bizarre. It's a game.... |
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Posted by Richard |
09/06/2011 at 10:34 AM |
to mw --- I'm Richard, and I'm not puretennisfan. I admire puretennisfan's view of the sport of tennis, although we do differ somewhat regarding the aesthetics of the game. If fact, his last big essay, covering all my previously given points of contention, showed me that he and I are not so far apart regarding the ART of tennis.
The substantive difference between our positions might have to do with our Western mode of binary thinking - that "either/or" perspective: good OR evil, light or dark, beautiful or ugly. In my case, I suppose I'm (for better AND for worse) more allied with the Zen "yin/yang" position, the inclusive "both/and". In that model, beauty is perceived more powerfully when juxtaposed with ugly, soulful (IF indeed "soul" is good) is brought into stronger focus when found in an environment of soullessness (if "soullessness" is in fact bad).
I agree that, tennis is currently dominated by power-punchers, and it makes the game less interesting. The finesse player, e.g., Federer (or his boxing corollary Sugar Ray Leonard), must be able to beat every kind of player, and when he beats a gladiator, it makes his beautiful game all the more beautiful! (By the way, Serena has BOTH games, and maybe her integrated "yin/yang" is why she is the great champion she is. She brings the tiger AND the gazelle onto the court!) |
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Posted by Roddick fan from Virginia |
09/06/2011 at 10:46 AM |
Maybe I'm misunderstanding what some are saying here, but there was some variation in style in the 5 set F/T match. Some long rallies, some s/v, a few aces, some chocking, some comebacks, some minor whinning; by both players. If you didn't like Tsonga or Fish, or you wanted Wooz or Fed; you may not have enjoyed the match, but a battle by #8 & 11 seeds could not have gotten much better IMHO and I wanted Mardy to win. |
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Posted by Roddick fan from Virginia |
09/06/2011 at 10:56 AM |
Also, during the earlier match, I think JMac & Enberg were talking about length of season and the injuries. IMHO, as long as the hardcourts are slowed down and balls are designed to slow it more; Rafa-like 1 hour sets will lead to injuries and retirements as the season goes along. there is probably never going to be a shortening on season with a worldwide desire for more tournaments or a return to grass T's or a desire for Clay in USA or Southasia region. Speed up HC's now, please, quicker matches and more S/V. |
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Posted by sam |
09/06/2011 at 11:06 AM |
my friend ,everybody has his opinion,for me fish is the beter player he proved it in many tournements tsonga played a few games and I THINK he has to worry more of his health .fish will play and not future ,because he likes it and is a fighter and a sportsmam
-yes the play was good -tsonga beat fish because fish is exhausted,lets see how long will songa win and after that make conclusion.
congrats for both of them but I APRECIATE FIH because he really worked in the last years .
anyway JO must be more modest as long as he was nowhere in the last years |
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Posted by Roddick fan from Virginia |
09/06/2011 at 11:14 AM |
Adding to my thoughts:
If true political freedom and economic prosperity and a hoped for increase in the love of tennis in Asia, Africa, and South America; there will be an increase, not decrease in ATP/WTA tournaments. These regions will want more then 4 weeks out of a year. Europe and the US and tournaments already in those regions mentioned above will not want to give up what they have. |
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Posted by alan |
09/06/2011 at 11:17 AM |
hey -doctor para-lol or bol-there are a lot of guys that have diifferent opinions about tennis and some of them are interesting - if you have something to get -write it -if not shut up .did you played at least 5 min tennis ?
-its normal to have a polemic and here people speak about sport not about your paranoia |
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Posted by Richard |
09/06/2011 at 11:26 AM |
to alan: Huh? |
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Posted by ali |
09/06/2011 at 11:33 AM |
yes I agree with alan ,the site is for sharing opinions and I am a fan of nice tennis and people has to write opinions not to suspect other about weird things -so beyond the win we have to comment about the player and and here fish showed a lot of excelent results in the last years
he was tide to beat djoko but jo gave up quickly.this is the true
I wish succes to fish -he will play ,but I wish onestly -players ,please play shorter if you want to be ok in future.here tsonga and fed are masters |
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Posted by TennisRone 1000 |
09/06/2011 at 11:38 AM |
I really enjoyed the Wilander early take on this match with Andy Freidman.
I couldn't agree more with puretennisfan about how tennis has evolved. I tihnk the good news is that I believe the better players will recognize the benefit of potentially adding variety to their game to complement their physical gifts. It's a little scarier to get up to the net and volley b/c the open-stance groundstrokes are very difficult to read and leave the net player more at risk than they ever were in the 80s and even the 90s. However, how often can you out-hustle your opponent? How often can you hit a winner from 5 ft behind the baseline and 5 feet wide of the doubles alley?
But....at the same juncture....few current players understand the art of playing the ball to a deep portion of the court and coming in from behind it (as Wilander commented on the failed Chip and charge attempt Fish made late in the first set of the match). This skill will have to be ingrained in future generations and more practiced at a younger age. What's the point of hitting your FH 5 MPH faster when you can work on other nuances of the game to take the wear and tear off your body.
It may take more time on the women's side as a player can realistically generate ridiculous power on their FH and BH right now and hit a winner from 5 ft behind the baseline as the women have issues covering as much space as the men. But it was amazing to me how underdeveloped some of their net games were. Even Kuzzy last night was pitiful at overheads. That's borderline inexcusable for someone with her talent level and experience.
I love going on youtube and occasionally checking out the old McEnroe/Lendl matchups. McEnroe was genius at cutting off balls and changing angles.....and Lendl was genius at creating angles off his groundstrokes and working points.
As for Mardy's future....gotta admit....I never thought he even could become this good. His FH compared to the Top 5 is frankly a liability. However, he can mask it by being consistent on his serve and attacking the net more often. Hopefully he can stay healthy and hang around in the Top 10 for one or two years. I think that would be a tremendous accomplishment for him. |
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Posted by shravan |
09/06/2011 at 02:06 PM |
Absolutely disappointed with Fish.
But Tsonga will be anhilated by Federer this time. Watch and See :)
Fish will make a strong rebound from this. He will beat Novak this year, as well as other top players, qualifying from YEC. |
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Posted by rugged1 |
09/06/2011 at 03:13 PM |
Tsonga, you are incredible!!! love your game. |
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Posted by rugged1 |
09/06/2011 at 03:22 PM |
Shravan, I guess you've missed that Tsonga has beaten Fed twice this year. Is your hope that fed wins because Tsonga spanked Mardy's behind in front of an American crowd. Well unfortunately Mardy is not in Tsonga's league. Mardy has gotten fitter, but he will never be a match for Tsonga. This is just something you will have to live with, accept it..discussion over! lol. |
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Posted by Lobo |
09/06/2011 at 04:03 PM |
There is no tennis today yet there is no real wtite up about the Federer-Monaco match last night (or early this morning). That seems a bit wierd. Federer was playing the best that he has played in quite a while. |
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Posted by rained out |
09/06/2011 at 04:27 PM |
"I don't speak French, dumbass."
Such a class act, that Mardy Fish. |
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Posted by peter |
09/06/2011 at 04:28 PM |
,there are some details but its important to ,be relax at this obsesive winning ideea ...everywhere -winning ,winning -even the guy who lost could be better its mostly luck, in tennis now you can play excelnt after 2sec can do a lot of unforced errors. so lets enjoy the beauty of tennis,bravo fish,bravo tsonga -but dont fight only to defeat roger,,fight for winning a trophy and to have andurance is very hard in this nadal times ,that why its good to play shorter like roger
otherwise we wil loose the interprets
-before wimbledon tsonga was beaten hard by fed and by wawrinka from 2-0,
-guys ,no I AM NOT disapointed of fish -he played hard in last yers,but tsonga was at the restaurant all the time...some winning games after 5 years is too less. |
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Posted by steven |
09/06/2011 at 04:37 PM |
people , be human with fish he proved in last years he is a fighter and played also for davis -cup .in all this years jo-t was odsessed to beat fed and to say that the era fed-nadal is over
budy,tsonga has to right to say something only after he will win at least some throphy...tiil now he is only a hope this is true.-what did he won..?
nobody else -said such bad words about the best players in the world.
this is tsongas character and he is unjustified arogant. |
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Posted by famp |
09/06/2011 at 06:39 PM |
too many tournaments before USO.
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Posted by Fred |
09/06/2011 at 09:18 PM |
How is that Tsonga speaks English and Fish dones't speak French? Who is the dumbass? Poor Fish, he even doesn't have class, he is just a second rate player and a third rate looser. |
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Posted by steven |
09/06/2011 at 11:42 PM |
yoy are out of order, nobody speaks about dumm or skin colour you and your brother richy -are from etipia plantation.here is amerika
-your friend bonga has at least be respectfull to other great player...
in tennis he proved nothing till now -regarmding to his posibilitys
good luck bonga if you want to be good win at least 1 MAJOR.
-OK ,you fredy learn tennis from roger,sampras, mc enroe.
and dont confuse sport with killing
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Posted by silviu |
09/07/2011 at 12:11 AM |
the ideea guys is to respect the guy who lost -this is -important in sport
fish ,tsonga ,etc everybody can lose or win doesnt mean one is much better then the other..of course the better player is that one who was UP in the last years, and played more as mardy and others.
-wining with 100 unforced errors from the opponent is a kaka,maka
terror and boring tennis ,djoko and nadal knows very good
-its serious, who can understand ...the health of the players is in danger
with this ping-pong . ,tennis is not gladiator.war
very often winning is like -loto.so stay calm .its only a game.with luck.but for somebody -of course there are some rules ,if he can not get them . tennis is not wrestling ...remember
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Posted by gadafi |
09/07/2011 at 12:26 AM |
rugged 1 ,wake up- bonga is not a tennis player he is a intruder ,you can speak about class after at least 1 year of high ranking -he is an amateur. he is on the bottom this is reality even your blood exploded.
some winning means nothing comparing ti others effort-again get up ,dude
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Posted by Richard |
09/07/2011 at 06:32 AM |
ALL the tennis players we have been watching this past week are highly-skilled and talented athletes who have reached this level and been accepted into this tournament because of their previous achievements. Obviously some are better than others, or better on a certain day at least, but they are ALL deserving of your PRAISE - and it is ridiculously idiotic for posters here to shower them with insults. If you expect humility from athletes, then show some humility yourself! |
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Posted by sampras |
09/07/2011 at 09:51 AM |
yes ,mihai it incredible what can an author write-anyway he contradicts himself..first of all is complet wrong to spoil someboy after a simple match.
if he can win at least 4-5 tourmanets he can be put on the winning table now he is nobody like all of us and. I can win to fed ones so what.
-ok rob djoko is now a great winner he is little better than fish -example
-dont worry , as you said ,lets win who playes better ,but the beter one is wins and after that. for sure.and for that a real sportman has to have some features.dont forget, fish is a excelent competitor like a lot of others,this is reality .he beat nadal .author do you know?
-fanatics can dream about bunga king-kong -but you can not change the reality and results...anyway sad is that , somebody wants to change artificial the normal rankings -djoko and nadal have easy matches..nadal wins regular with the empire when he is in dificulty,,,everything because -mafia wants another number one...anyway fed is number 1 in tennis -he prove everything
-the rest is in cold war.
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Posted by ford |
09/07/2011 at 10:15 AM |
tennis is a sport that need silence -so for frustrated who scream for getting force and intimidate -disapairing or changing is the only solution
this is for the guys that can not realize this...sunga, if he playes normal is down so he is nobody.lets get back to normal tennis and see who win ? ok?-lests improve. its like cheating and stealing-nadalmania must be changed otherwise this crazzy winning battle is nothing. |
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Posted by Richard |
09/07/2011 at 10:59 AM |
to sampras - How dare you use the name "sampras" - one of the great gentlemen of the sport! Your "bunga king-kong" utterance is nothing but disgusting racist prejudice. Why should anyone assume that your opinion deserves any respect? Shame on you! Do you get pleasure from exposing yourself on this forum? |
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Posted by Richard |
09/07/2011 at 11:07 AM |
If one compares spelling, punctuation, and grammar "idiosyncracies", it is possible to determine that several Tsonga-haters here are in fact all the same angry/sad/frustrated person. Tsk, tsk. |
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Posted by policeofficer |
09/07/2011 at 01:09 PM |
R-LOLY ,it over,nobody insults you -you insult people and you hate -basic ideeas and fish-because of your ilogic disorder. .a lot of guys explained you simple facts-in sport deserves that one who proves for long time, who is decent -ok? look at monfils-nobody hates tsonga-but he did not deserve.what tou repeat its crazzy , pitbull behaviour.
YOU will come to pay for bad words like- rasists,praise etc
remember in canada there are a lot of imigrants everybody has the right of opinion-IF
you will not come-HARBOUR POLICE STATION we will find you. what you write is not english it is esperando -hopely you get this -take care
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Posted by policeofficer |
09/07/2011 at 01:16 PM |
and remember ,maniacal reason like punctuation bla,bla reflect your problems of logic.and brain ..if you cant understand simple .decent facts
-we will help you otherwise- frustrate is somebody like tsonga,nadal who can not win nooooormal like ALL -tennisplayers did before. |
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Posted by policeofficer |
09/07/2011 at 01:46 PM |
and bring your friend fredy with you and we will explain you -what is corect or not
last example .when you go and scream in the buiding [like animal or break a mall ,and somebody defends himself. who is wright? the defender-OK ?
SO its danger if you dont get that screaming like -crazzy its infraction
it means the guy is complet unable to win normal -he is disabled
this is because pitbull nadal started and nobody took atitude but..it will be over. finaly if a stealer or killer dont agree that he atack for offence he will die once.if he IS selfdefence itS corect. that is culture.
IN tennis is similar and by the way joly is very angry because roger is better then him...and try to steal. even he will win its nothing ,next he will colapse because is fat and laizy. that it is- I am real tennis fan |
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Posted by policeofficer |
09/07/2011 at 01:55 PM |
and dont try to lie us because we have all regsitration that you guys -
insulted FISH and a lot of guys here---your last CHANCE to be corect
-sorry , you are full of hate-if somebody lost, you have to help him
not insult and make fun.anyway fish proved everything ,your guy is a baby.
anyway ,words like hate are for psihopats. it is here only about deserving facts..now it is clear? no problem
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Posted by Richard |
09/07/2011 at 02:07 PM |
Bravo, "policeofficer" - You made my day. Keep the faith! Now I feel ---- normal. Sorry, I mean nooooomal. Thanks! |
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Posted by offy.pol |
09/07/2011 at 03:04 PM |
na,na ,na -tell to your copys to prove to behave normal and do it
its not -clint movie -for sure |
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Posted by Richard |
09/07/2011 at 03:14 PM |
Amen, offy.pol! |
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Posted by Patricia Dayko |
04/05/2012 at 02:54 PM |
I am very worried about Mardy Fish's medical problems. Am I the only one who can see that he has a blood pressure problem, possibly a brain tumor, or a bipolar problem. He gets so upset and angry that he is unable to think or perform properly. His blood pressure has got be sky high the way he has acted in most of his matches in 2012 and he probably just needs the proper medication to control these problems. Will someone get him some medical help before he is dead, please. I really like him as a tennis player. Please help him
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